The myth of cheap fruit (nullus)

Branching off from this morning's post about how racist black people are attempting to deny poor unfortunate hispanics their god-given right to disregard any laws they find inconvenient, I thought it would be instructive to take a look at this myth of the $6 orange these assholes like to bring up.

It goes a little something like this (hit it): If Mexicans aren't allowed to retake what's left of the United States, there won't be anyone to pick the oranges. The price of said oranges will then rise to $6 per and Americans will all starve to death. Hence, illegal immigrants are actually doing us all a favor. For shizzle.

Here's something for you d-bags to consider: If this was really the case, then how come oranges didn't cost $6 per back before La Reconquista, when you actually had to pay people to pick them? Could it be that oranges cost roughly the same now as they did then, and that the only difference now is that some TI is stuffing even more money down his pockets while the rest of us suffer?

Interestingly enough, the argument you hear proponents of illegal immigration using so often - that these people are starving to death and hence willing to work for less - is the exact same argument that multi-national corporations use to build sweatshops in places like Indonesia. It's not especially different from the argument Wal-Mart uses to pay rednecks $6 an hour.

Could it be that guilty white liberal-types, in their quest to appear more liberal than thou, have actually become rather conservative?

If you support illegal immigration into the United States, you support the systematic transfer of wealth from poor, tax-paying American citizens into the hands of the tall Israelis who run this country's industries. Silly identity politics aside, there's nothing particularly progressive about that.

Comments

[Big Walt]

"If you support illegal immigration into the United States, you support the systematic transfer of wealth from poor, tax-paying American citizens into the hands of the tall Israelis who run this country's industries. Silly identity politics aside, there's nothing particularly progressive about that"

That's REAL.

[Julia]

As a filthy, bleeding heart liberal - I totally agree with your analysis. My liberal friends & I agree on pretty much everything except this issue. I've even been called jingoist, protectionist, racist, blah blah... just because I think people who illegally enter the US are getting the shaft. They have NO rights in this country, NO protection from abusive employment practices, etc... Why would any American be proud of that?

[Bol]

^The racism thing is a red herring. Being for illegal immigration is tantamount to being for sweatshops.

[Julia]

EXACTLY!

Have you ever been around Sedalia or Marshall MO? Tyson is all but forcing their illegal workers to live 20-30 in one house. Fucking cruel.

[Bol]

White people from rural areas are this nation's true more conscience.

[badmove]

Funny thing is, if you actually go back to the last post and read the comments I think there was maybe two posts that actually supported illegal immigration.

"Branching off from this morning's post about how racist black people are attempting to deny poor unfortunate hispanics their god-given right to disregard any laws they find inconvenient..."

No one really said this, but its a convenient device to get people all riled up. What I think people are ACTUALLY unhappy about is the WAY that this topic is discussed, with racist undertones and no regard for, or even a hint of humanity or compassion. I'm against illegal immigration, but I'm for discussing the issue as if we are talking about people, rather than a "scourge" or "horde".

[Bol]

God damn you, badmove.

If you go back and read that sentence, it says,

"The thought of this country being invaded by hordes of filthy Mexicans should bring angry cracka-ass crackas out of the proverbial woodwork."

So you see, I'm not calling Mexicans filthy myself, but I'm accusing racist white people of doing it.

I know, I know, you're translating, but still.

[Yep]

>They have NO rights in this country, NO protection from abusive employment practices, etc... Why would any American be proud of that?

First of all, I do not condone abusive employment practices, but what kind of rights do you think you would have if you snuck into another country?

[Julia]

and your point is...?

[badmove]

ok ok Bol,

I realized my mistake the first time after I went back and read it. My bad ok? You aren't the racist counterproductive voice I'm describing That voice still exists though with most people discussing this issue on the internet and that is what I'm addressing here, that and the lack of unity between our two communities. I hereby free you from the bounds of frustration, run, run like the wind.

[Bol]

^I'd argue that people who get caught up over being called "filthy" are the counterproductive ones.

[badmove]

Nope, "filthy" is a common racial stereotype used against hispanics and I they probably use it against blacks too. In my neighborhood when I lived in New Mexico, members of the National Alliance would drive by and throw soap in our lawns. Maybe it is counterproductive to get "caught up" in fighting racist sentiments like these. What do you think the right course of action is?

[Bol]

>What do you think the right course of action is?

To sleep half the day then get wasted during the evening.

[connor]

i would argue that there isn't really a "liberal" consensus on the sweatshop issue, or rather that it's more complicated than it first appears: ontologically they exist as pretty massive human rights violations which serve to transfer wealthy to the already superrich, but cheap labor is often the only incentive to invest in countries like indonesia which (generally) tends to reduce governmental corruption, because global capitalism hates that shit. also intentionality has to be considered: yeah the chinese wal-mart factory pays 5 cents an hour, but a lot of people would rather do that than, say, subsistence-farm. wal-mart are a bunch of fucking tools to be sure, but they don't put guns to anybody's heads precisely because they don't have to. nobody is forced into working for them.

likewise with illegal immigration, it's hard to take the stance that you're for ending it on the grounds that you think it would benefit the illegals in some abstract way- that's pretty condescending. it's my understanding that it's seen as the only way out for a lot of people, and not being in their position it's almost impossible to second-guess those decisions. so if you're for a crackdown you are pretty much forced into a protectionist position, for which there are certainly rational arguments, but you can't really do the whole thing where you talk about how it's for "their" own good etc.

[Heather]

If I remember correctly it was our fine president who opened the flood gates for and allowed all the illegal immigrants in. Yes, they were here before, but not even close to as many as there are now. Don't blame the liberals for this problem.....yes, I believe it is a problem.

[Insomniac]

Speaking for the conservative white crowd...

I don't give a flying fuck if you think we're racist or not...thats your opinion, no matter how assinine, its your opinion and your entitled to it.

Why would we want a group of people that have already destroyed their country coming to ours to do the same thing.

If you can't be bothered to learn english (OUR LANGUAGE), nor be bothered to pay taxes, or come here legally, WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE CARE WHAT YOU THINK IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Minorities make me laugh:

They expect everything they arent entitled to.

They expect whitey to take care of them.

They expect whitey to just sit back and shut up.

The first time whitey says "no, we've had enough of your bullshit", they call us "racists", then procede to sue us into oblivion for some trumped-up racial BS.

Then they expect us to do it all over again...and again, and again.

You know why the government and white people are so against this mexican amnesty bullshit?

We tried to help/intergrate the blacks, instead of just kicking them onto boats and sending them back.

And we see what that got us.

Do you actually think we're gonna make the same mistake with the mexicans?

We learned the first time that "no good deed goes unscrewed"...and "minorities WILL bite the hand that feeds them".

If you don't believe me, visit New Jersey or California some time.

Fucking illegals cost this country more than 10 BILLION dollars a year in extra costs that the WHITE MAN pays out of his paycheck.

BUT YOU EXPECT US NOT TO BITCH.

Sure, like thats gonna happen.

[Pancho Villa]

Yea and illegal immigrants also contribute about a kijillion tax dollars to social programs they can't even use.

So maybe when white people collect their social security checks, they should thank Juan at Burger King for keeping the program afloat while Republicans do their best to send the money to Halliburton.

[crazichick]

An overwhelming number of these posts refer to only Mexicans. Mexicans aren't the only ones affected although they represent the majority. There are many people (including those from countries that are predominately white)here who overstayed their work visas and are now considered illegal. They, too, are affected by what is going on in Congress right now. Bol, what is your stance on those that are not Mexican?

[crazichick]

And before some tough sounding white guy leeches on to my comment/question and attacks...I'm white.

[Dr. Ishakamusa Barashango]

Black men can't get work now that there are Mexicans everywhere, willing to do the same job, better, for less money.

Poor white people (aka "white trash") have the same problem: who in their right mind will hire a black or white to do something, when a Mexican will do it better for a lot less, and without any complaining about things like not having a lunch break.

[Bol]

>There are many people (including those from countries that are predominately white)here who overstayed their work visas and are now considered illegal. They, too, are affected by what is going on in Congress right now. Bol, what is your stance on those that are not Mexican?

They can stay.

[nofrontin]

"Interestingly enough, the argument you hear proponents of illegal immigration using so often - that these people are starving to death and hence willing to work for less - is the exact same argument that multi-national corporations use to build sweatshops in places like Indonesia. It's not especially different from the argument Wal-Mart uses to pay rednecks $6 an hour."

Well, those rich white liberals complaining about that shit are retarded. I think these people working in sweatshops and Wal-Mart would rather have those shitty jobs than no job at all.

[Insomniac]

"Yea and illegal immigrants also contribute about a kijillion tax dollars to social programs they can't even use."

Moron, would you please explain HOW they contribute ANYTHING when they DON'T PAY TAXES.

SOCIAL PROGRAMS ARE MAINLY FUNDED THRU TAXATION.

Fucking idiots....ugh.

[crazichick]

Bol, you're killing me. Talk about a double standard. What's the difference between the Mexicans who jump the fence to get here and the ones who start off legal but "accidentally" overstay their work visa? They're both illegal, right? Shouldn't the same rules apply?

[nofrontin]

">There are many people (including those from countries that are predominately white)here who overstayed their work visas and are now considered illegal. They, too, are affected by what is going on in Congress right now. Bol, what is your stance on those that are not Mexican?

They can stay."

LOL

[Yep]

> and your point is...?

My point is this . . . If people such as yourself cut down on their whiny commentary and started taking some proactive steps to thinking about a solution to the problem the probability of finding a solution increases. There are too many people, and this is all races, ethnicities, religions, etc., who too busy bitching about the way things are instead of working towards the way they believe things should be. Nullus (on Julia, this post and my preachiness).

[nofrontin]

Haven't you tards seen A Day Without A Mexican?

[cereal]

If Peedro is using someone else's social security card, does that count as him paying taxes?

The right thing to do would be to round all these illegals up while theyre holding the 'brown illegal pride' rally and send them back to guala guala land. But then little Timmy will have to work at Wendy's or get a landscaping job, and we cant have that.

And we can't just kick out all the illegals, i mean, who would be at the bottom of the food chain then?

[wyattrenaldo]

Posted by: Insomniac | Mar 28, 2006 2:24:49 PM

Whatever dude, white trash ghettos are the scariest of all, this meth epademic really has the shoe on the other foot now. This "white mans crack" has me scared of letting my kids get near a trailer park because you people are like goddamn savage animals.

Anyway no matter what color you are the elitists at the top of the economic food chain has lumped you in with all the ethnics you obviously despise. We are all just "consumers", "eaters" and as soon as we realize that our respective racist ideologies won't mean much.

[Pancho Villa]

I'm going to simplify this so you understand Isomniac.

1. Immigrants pay sales taxes, property taxes and etc.

2. Those funds go to our social progarms

3. Since they are not citzens they cannot use them.

4. Therefore illegal immigrants and their estimated 7 BILLION dollars of Tax revenue are paying for your social secuirty, healthcare and etc.

Do you understand now, or do you need a video with drawings?

[badmove]

Bol, you're killing me. Talk about a double standard. What's the difference between the Mexicans who jump the fence to get here and the ones who start off legal but "accidentally" overstay their work visa? They're both illegal, right? Shouldn't the same rules apply?

Posted by: crazichick | Mar 28, 2006 2:51:08 PM

He's just trying to get a rise out of you, and me, now. This blog isn't about demonstrating anyones true views on anything, or compassion, or realistically discussing issues, so don't try.

[Yep]

>He's just trying to get a rise out of you, and me, now. This blog isn't about demonstrating anyones true views on anything, or compassion, or realistically discussing issues, so don't try.

Good point Badmove, how about those titties on the BT chick, I'd love to show her what Dik's Fo, Fo sho.

[Bol]

>What's the difference between the Mexicans who jump the fence to get here and the ones who start off legal but "accidentally" overstay their work visa?

One group was initially invited and one wasn't.

[Yo]

"What's the difference between the Mexicans who jump the fence to get here and the ones who start off legal but "accidentally" overstay their work visa?"

Oh....none. They all still get deported via inside the same truck, lol.

[Yep]

I hear Cheech Marin offers a great course on how to act American down in Tijuana. Wass Happenin, Wass Happenin.

[Insomniac]

Basic Beaner Math 101

The illegals cost the american taxpayers:

10 BILLIONS DOLLARS Annually (Its AT LEAST THAT AMOUNT, and its closer to 15 BILLION actually.)

According to the moron above, they supposedly pay 7 BILLION (prove it and I MIGHT believe you) into the system.

Hmmm....lets see.

10 BILLION minus 7 BILLION = 3 BILLION DOLLARS

Which means, you flaming retard wetback, that no matter how much they "contribute" they STILL COST US MONEY OUT OF OUR POCKETS.

Wow, that was so fucking hard to figure out.

So you were saying about the video with drawings asshole?

And on a side note -

I DONT CARE HOW MUCH THEY CONTRIBUTE...IF THEY'RE AN ILLEGAL, THE ONLY THING THEY DESERVE IS A HARD KICK IN THE ASS ON THEIR WAY OUT THE DOOR.

If you came here illegally, you don't deserve to be a citizen in the first place.

[Pancho Villa]

Well sadly I have to post a drawing for you. But learning is FUNdamental. Click on the video labeled "the case for immigration" and learn.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/28/immigration/

And please show me where you figures on how much illegal immigration "cost" this country come from. Just a hint, the kkk or arayan nations do not count as sources.

Class dismissed.

[nofrontin]

This "if it's illegal is bad" logic is kind of depressing. Yes, every law our benevolent rulers make is worth following. I don't care if that run away slave is sad, he's breaking the law! Send him back!

[Pancho Villa]

Oh and by the way, if your are not a Native American, than you are here illegally. But I know you can't grasp this so I'll break it down.

Black People= Descendants of illegal slave trade

White People= Illegal immigrants that history books call "settlers"

The Southwest United States= Mexican territory before taken by "settlers"

oh facts...

[Insomniac]

By the way, the ONLY tax that goes to social programs in any form is PROPERTY TAXES (short of the cigarette taxes), and even then, that tax is mainly used for schools and city government.

And unless you OWN a house...NOT RENT LIKE ALL THE ILLEGALS DO...Then your not paying PROPERTY TAXES anyway, the property owner pays them.

Gas taxes pay for roads, sales taxes pay for city services like cops and firemen.

You show me an illegal in an H&R BLOCK to get his tax returns done, and I'll show you a black person that belongs to the KKK.

[Pancho Villa]

Isomniac...Do the Knowlege!

1. If you buy ANYTHING in this country you pay sales taxes.

2. If you work anywhere and recieve a paycheck, you pay payroll taxes in addition to social security and medicare.

But unlike immigrants, you are unemployed so you would not know anything about that.

Oh and I enjoyed all those "facts" about immigration that you so eleqouently presented.

[Bol]

>This "if it's illegal is bad" logic is kind of depressing. Yes, every law our benevolent rulers make is worth following.

This is not pot smoking we're talking about. Pull your head out of your ass.

>Oh and by the way, if your are not a Native American, than you are here illegally.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[badmove]

I guess he didn't click on your link Pancho. Its so much easier to argue with "what I knows about them damn mexicans", than actual sources from reputable new agencies.

[Shutup]

To Pancho Villa and badmove: toss my salad.

[badmove]

You forgot to comment on this sentence.

"I don't care if that run away slave is sad, he's breaking the law! Send him back!"

[badmove]

To Pancho Villa and badmove: toss my salad.

Posted by: Shutup | Mar 28, 2006 3:40:03 PM

Another educated white, praise god.

[Insomniac]

Seen the numbers last night on MSNBC.

So I guess MSNBC is the clan now, right?

Oh, and BTW, I vaguely remember the sources they had listed under the stats, and I beleive it was a SPANISH-BASED ORGANIZATION.

Stupid fuck...If you WATCH TV, the stats are all over CNN and MSNBC.

Oh, thats right, I'm talking to a jackass who can't even understand that its not about how much it is or it isnt costing us....its about them being illegal in the first place.

And NO SHIT SHERLOCK, of course I'm an immigrant, but I, just like the ancestors who came here on the boat, ARE HERE LEGALLY.

Big difference between legal and illegal, at least last time I checked.

Silly beaner, jobs are for taxpayers, not criminals.

[Insomniac]

Your link was meaningless, No stats, no numbers to back you up.

So your point was?

[Pancho Villa]

Bol, I'm just saying this isn't anything new. America is so rich becuase it was built for free. Is it exploitation..hell yea! But this country or capitalism for that matter can't work without it. Capitalism needs cheap labor for cheap prices for higher consumption.

The hope is after a generation or two, you can not be picking cotton, selling fruit or whatever.

Tha American "Dream"
1.African Slaves
2.Chinesse Railway workers
2.Poor European Factory Workers
3.and ow Mexican Immigrants

and don't worry badmove, its my fault for listening to childern while adults are talking.

[badmove]

Within the link if you go to the video that is title "The case for immigration", the CNN correspondent reads off the stats.

[Bol]

>Capitalism needs cheap labor for cheap prices for higher consumption.

What you're referring to is a sort of feudalism, which is what we've always had.

Countries have had capitalism without slavery.

[Panch Villa]

Not this one....and not any of the European Empires that ran slave colonies in the Carribean and Latin America.

[Shutup]

To Pancho Villa and badmove: tip-use the light peach-flavored lube: gives it the best taste.

[Pacho Villa]

To Shutup,

no homo

that is all,
pancho villa

[Bol]

>Not this one....and not any of the European Empires that ran slave colonies in the Carribean and Latin America.

What about Canada? Do you mean to suggest that slavery is a prerequisite for capitalism?

[Panco Villa]

No not slavery, but exploitation of labor. Slavery is just the most exteme version of exploitation.

Although Canada (props on finding the one western example that doesn't meet my model) dosen't have a past rooted in slavery, it was a French/ British Colony that brought home the funds which helped finance the industrial revolution in Europe.

[verde grande]

!Viva Mexico! Well, well, well, Bol and Insomniac seem pretty pissed about "illegal" immigrants. Hah! What's the matter Bol, did your lard ass get replaced from the White Asshole with some 5-foot tall taco belcher. That was most likely my cousin Jose. And Insomniac, get your cracka ass out of here, me and my extended family have our eyes on your job. In fact, with affirmative action, I'll probably get promoted as your boss that much faster!

It's pretty obvious that if you're against illegal immigrants, you're racist against Mexicans. I mean, nobody seemed to throw a fit in the early 1900's when those oily Europeans swarmed to this country . . . Hispanics are the fastest growing minority in the US today, both in economic status and numbers. Hispanic businesses are the fastest growing, look it up if you don't believe me. The CEOs of these companies were poor, illegal immigrants back in the 70's.

Crakkkas, and jigs too, could learn alot about the meaning of hard work from these "illegals." It's true that they take the jobs Americans don't want to do, because all of you are so fucking lazy. I mean that's the real reason behind slavery, you rednecks were too fucking lazy to pick your own gottanm cotton, so you stole a bunch of Africans to do the work for you. BUt then you whine about "affirmative action" and "reverse discrimination", as if everything was so fair from the start.

Well I got news for you Jack, watch out for Jose and Francisco because they want a piece of the pie too, even if it means taking a fat bite out of your back.

[blest]

I learn somthing new from bol everyday.

[Breaking News]

There are tons of illegal aliens in this country and not all of them are MEXCIAN!!! We have illegal Canadians here we have plenty of immigrants who have overstayed their student visas. So why doesn't the gov.'t talk about that? What is the real issue here?

[jesse]

If you support illegal immigration into the United States, you support the systematic transfer of wealth from poor, tax-paying American citizens into the hands of the tall Israelis who run this country's industries. Silly identity politics aside, there's nothing particularly progressive about that.

***has never commented on any blog before...but holy handgernades...that needs to be repeated!!!!!

[daesonesb]

>Do you mean to suggest that slavery is a prerequisite for capitalism?

Near slavery of illegal immigrants is one of the biggest ways that wal mart keeps prices low. Shit is always getting raided by the FBI.

Ever since the U.S. grip on the Bannana republics slipped, we've relied more heavily on illegal immigrants for cheap labor.
You say that prices wouldn't go up. The cost of labor for food conglomerates would, though. To keep the same profit margin flowing into the "T.I's" pockets with these high labor costs, these grocery enterprises (walmart, costco) would sell higher to us. Imagine -- they still want their porsches and lavish lifestyles; if the red ink on the year end reports is so many millions higher ... up prices go!

I'm not saying that it would get as bad as 6 bucks an orange. Local growers in my area sell produce for prices that --while not competitive with costco-- are reasonable. I'm sure that Con Agra and who ever else could do much better than these local businesses even while paying a legal wage.

Plus then there is no reason for these illegals to be here in the first place. No one would hire them at legal wages. Legalizing them would GET RID OF THEM.

If this theory doesnt work, I would advocate a more milataristic and direct route. I dont think it'll come to that though.

[daesonesb]

>>Although Canada (props on finding the one western example that doesn't meet my model) dosen't have a past rooted in slavery, it was a French/ British Colony that brought home the funds which helped finance the industrial revolution in Europe.

In comparison to the States, canada was an unorganized venture of fur trappers who were hell bent on fucking the Native peoples and starting half french families.

Britain whipped it into shape, but it wasn't financing shit in France. Too helter Skelter. Why do you think the French couldn't hang in the 20th century? They didnt have their colonial assets together in the 19th!

Canada only suceeded when Britain came into it and turned the native friendly, lax policies of the french on their heads. Just because slavery didnt exist in canada does not imply that there were not blacks living there, working for next to nothing.

Where do you think Sean De Paul came from? I'm sure he probably would prefer to live somewhere warm... but his great grandaddy was Samuel De Champlain's cook.

Capitalism as you know it is based on exploitation. For gods sake.. minimum wage work is exploitation! I do it every day at little caesars. A step above K mart, because i dont deal with the scum of the earth (I make pizzas in the back) but still a pretty exploitative relationship. I work when I'm told to / called in. If the boss tries to send me home early... i can tell him to fuck off ... but it hasnt been working out as well lately.

If a society treated everyone the way they wanted to be treated, it would inevitably fail. Some people must suffer sometimes. It is called working. Go to australia and live with pigmies if you dont like it. I hear they have a pretty relaxed lifestyle.

[Breaking News]

Insomniac you keep preaching this intellectual superiority nonsense, but you (who is a natural born citizen of the United States)keep referring to this country as a democracy. This country is actually a Federal Republic. Insomniac I think you need to get some rest, someone sounds like they need a nap from a stressful yet failing day at work.

[Bol is an Uncle Tom]

Man if one of you are Mexican, what the fuck is up? This nigger is verbally fucking you motherfuckers with no vaseline on this topic. How can you read all that racist bullshit and not be sick? This nigger is basically calling you filthy scum. And fuck all that shit about he's just trying to get you riled up.
That statement implies that he doesn't mean the shit he wrote in this racist ass post. He meant every fucking word because he hates himself. You see a mistake was made years ago. He wasn't supposed to be born to his black ass mama and daddy. He was supposed to be conceived from George and Laura Bush. This nigger is comfortable talking this racist bullshit tucked away in white bread suburbia. If you're a Mexican you are letting this motherfucker punk your ass.

[daesonesb]

>>I mean, nobody seemed to throw a fit in the early 1900's when those oily Europeans swarmed to this country

There were nativist clashes all over America during the eastern european invasion. There were shit storms over irish immigration. Caps were busted over chinese workers on the trans american railroad. People got houses burned down and railway spikes driven in their heads.
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The reason America hasnt been dealing with illegals is because it is profitable to ignore them.

[burritos/shovels]

http://www.hispaniconline.com/magazine/2006/february/features/powerful_people.html

[yousa dummy]

Mexicans are the bane of society.

[SupaniceMC]

what chu know about workin, long hours with a dirt stach?, diggin holes, cutin grass that be where all the works at. what chu know about dat, what chu knoaw about dat, cuase they know all about that!!!

(notice how i flipped some T.I. lyrics, should get some props from the lesbos in the crowd)

[Young McGreevey]

Some things are definitely cheaper because of cheap labor. An orange wouldn't become $6 or anything, but it might go up a few cents, which adds up. Do that for all fruits and textiles or whatever else and the spending money saved from that should be factored into how much $$$ immigrants contribute to the economy.

I mean, if you are REALLY trying to do the math.

But yeah ultimately that money is still going to TIs.

EXCEPT Bol, it's not as though getting rid of immigration actively reverses any transfer of wealth. What are we going to do, starve? All stopping illegal immigration would do is redistribute wealth among the TIs. Instead of buying those more expensive oranges, you now have more money to buy that OC soundtrack you've wanted for months. OR if oranges aren't more expensive, nothing changes anyway.

And so forth.

I guess some of us (not saying you) would feel better if U.S. multinational exploitation was limited to soils other than our own. But reducing immigration to the U.S. doesn't reduce that exploitation. It only redistributes or worsens exploitation where it still exists.

I'm just saying it's a complicated issue, and neither option will solve any problems on its own.

[Young McGreevey]

P.S. OC soundtrack = obviously NULLUS

[spazinski]

co-sign Young McGreevey - nullus.

the TI's will get their paper regardless. It's what they do. Illegal immigrants + cheap labor allows me to live the lifestyle that i do.

[ray earl]

"Poor white people (aka "white trash") have the same problem: who in their right mind will hire a black or white to do something, when a Mexican will do it better for a lot less, and without any complaining about things like not having a lunch
break"

i agree and i don't need any flak because i didn't give some nigger or white nigger lover "respect" when i ordered my hamburger a certain way. i don't need white trash or niggers waiting on me in restaraunts. those who always demand "respect" are the last ones ot give it out.

fuck that bloated fat, swine, nigger bitch aretha franklin and her "respect" which is a nigger word. the kkk didn't even want her at the superbowl.

[somemud]

Racism has always been a good indicator of intelligence. Racist people always have the highest IQs. Its a known fact. You see its because they don't acknowledge the essential worth of life inherent in every human being regardless of ethnicity thats makes them superior. This way of thinking is also best because of the denial of a supreme being inherent in its premise. I mean, you can't believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator of all things if you happen to HATE one of those things created. Hating a piece of humanity, and not recognizing its connection to a cosmic web that is also a part of you, that thing that unites us all as human beings on this planet together is what makes them special, only someone very very special can hate in this manner. This kind of thinking is beyond reproach, this denial of humanity, this seeking of division rather than unity, this preference for hate over love, this denial of God cannot be questioned because it is obviously so vastly superior to us.

[KENNY]

"Nope, 'filthy' is a common racial stereotype used against hispanics.."

That was fucking stupid, you goddamned spic. I have never called a filthy person to my table to serve me food. ONLY THE CLEAN ILLEGALS!!! I do indeed discriminate.

[Native Texan]

Someone said the illegals are paying taxes - which taxes would that be? Social security taxes? But wait, don't you have to be a citizen to get a valid social security number? Oh, no, could it be that the illegals are using someone else's social security number? Wow, how does that work? My brother-in-law is employed by the IRS and he told me that the actual owner of the stolen SSN gets into trouble, not the illegal who is using someone else's number. Well, how about that?

[Native Texan]

Posted by: wyattrenaldo | Mar 28, 2006 2:56:10 PM

I'm going to simplify this so you understand Isomniac.

1. Immigrants pay sales taxes, property taxes and etc.

2. Those funds go to our social progarms

3. Since they are not citzens they cannot use them.

4. Therefore illegal immigrants and their estimated 7 BILLION dollars of Tax revenue are paying for your social secuirty, healthcare and etc.

Do you understand now, or do you need a video with drawings?
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Reply: All an illegal has to do is produce an "anchor baby" and they can get as many freebies as they want. Don't suppose that they don't know how to work the system. I don't think there are that many illegals that pay property taxes-these are poor people, right? Nor do they pay income taxes. If they do pay into Social Security they are doing it with a stolen social security number because they cannot get a valid social security number if they are not citizens.

It all breaks down to this: They are here illegally and are breaking the law. Whether or not they pay taxes or help the economy or are just poor folk looking for work is irrelevant. The law is still the law, period. And besides, what makes them think they are better than all of the people who earned their citizenship legally? For shame!